FromMeatballToAboutus
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Initial Contact
Fridemar was already an active member of Aboutus and it was a generous host of our initial screenshots for the purchase of the ExtremeOpenBusiness.com domain.
Suggestion to Migrate to Aboutus
Fridemar: Now I have another suggestion: as you are a writer of "history on online communities", I would love to copy the content of ExtremeOpenBusiness (and all similar pages) to Aboutus. Reasons for developing ExtremeOpenBusiness on Aboutus are given in ReasonsForExtremeOpenBusinessOnAboutus.
Credit is given to Meatball, which is the friendly birth-place and host of the initial historical event. We remain connected with Meatball. fridemar 17:08, 20 June 2008 (PDT)
Aaron: Thanks for that, I will discover how to redirect. I do not object to the move. To me MeatBall's theme is online communities and AboutUs is on business. So for ExtremeOpenBusiness I see relevancy on both sides. You also show an impressive list of advantages. -- Aaron
Fridemar: Aaron, I don't think of neither external redirection nor do I think to wipe out our initial contributions at Meatball. I think of copying our current contributions and leaving the rest on Meatball:ExtremeOpenBusiness, to be formed by all the prevailing forces (including our own), that are more in accordance with the current Meatball:MissionStatement of Meatball. fridemar 17:08, 20 June 2008 (PDT)
Aaron: My knowledge of AboutUs is limited. Are they are open to these kinds of concepts we explore? -- Aaron
Fridemar: Yes Aaron, AboutusOrg is really open to our initiative, confirmed by numerous interactions with their staff on wiki pages and IRCs. The CEO of AboutusOrg RayKing appreciates the new ideas from me in the same way, as I appreciate his ideas and the ideas of their staff and active community members. We mutually follow us each other on Twitter.com. fridemar 17:08, 20 June 2008 (PDT)
Concerns: Is it a fork
Aaron: My only real concern would be the possible MeatBall community's feeling on the matter as a form of defacto fork. I lie in the position of active but not very knowledgeable yet and so will leave such issues, should they exist, to others. I think it's important we acknowledge MeatBall as the breeding ground for such creative ideas. I am still throwing out the net of online and offline communities and seeing how I can 'make a living'. I am not a StayPoor advocate in this context. To me OpenBusiness and ExtremeOpenBusiness are possibilities worth developing. -- Aaron
Exploring other possibilities
Aaron: But I am still exploring other possibilities. We could also consider a longer step and host something ourselves. This seems to have several strong advantages and disadvantages. Hmm let me use my * addiction and see what shows up
Pros
- Self image hosting
- Might be best ultimate transfer case (ie would make transfer from AboutUs to self hosting a zero problem)
- High flexibility
- More independance
Cons
- Costs money here and now
- Burden of security
- Burden of administration
- Not an established community
Much of a muchness it seems. -- AaronPoeze
Fridemar: As we are working on a field, that extends to "on business" and "online-communities" alike, we can place our future contributions in both communities and bilink them. This allows all participants an additional degree of freedom. I even can see a networked collaboration, distributed over many appropriate forums and wikis, bilinked with each other.
Concerning fork considerations, I don't see it as a fork; i see it as an expansion of the idea to different places, where the single components of the idea get community-specific nurturing. So all involved communities, i.e. (active) community members and (more or less passive) readers can profit on it.
Welcome "to exploring still other possibilities" and let's see, how we can integrate it.
Yes, in the long run, we could even establish a site, where there is the heart of ExtremeOpenBusiness. (Nevertheless I am open to even drop this centralistic dogma, in favor of permanent flexible distributed bilinked conceptual contributions, collaboration and other wealth [1] creating [inter-|trans]actions.
The listed cons and pros indicate to me that we are in resonance and can make the jump.
Do you want to copy itself or do you allow me to copy? You have green light from me, now I ask only you for your explicit green light. fridemar 17:08, 20 June 2008 (PDT)
Aaron: You have my explicit green light. It is likely in the long run these inputs will remain bonded yet have a different flavour in accordance with the different missions of each wiki. It's good that we are in tune with the AboutUs community then. When I looked at the rough list of pros and cons it seemed a self website for ExtremeOpenBusiness was not a particularly good or bad idea at present and I feel we can run with AboutUs and delay that other decision.
Both centralised and diverse have their value and weak points. I suggest we go with what works for ExtremeOpenBusiness as far as we can determine it at the time we give it consideration. One thing that is starting to be more clear is an advantage to record what occurs so that it might be of values to others who, I hope, might take similar steps.
With your green light and mine I am taking liberty to copy information. I may also include some of the information here. I hope to rework it (my first reworking be gentle!) after it is in AboutUs but leave the discussion intact. -- AaronPoeze
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