fridemar: hello [2:10pm] fridemar: Mark, are you online= [2:10pm] fridemar: ? [2:10pm] TedErnst: hi fridemar [2:10pm] fridemar: Hi Ted [2:10pm] TedErnst: how are you? [2:11pm] fridemar: Thanks fine and you? [2:11pm] TedErnst: I'm doing great [2:11pm] fridemar: Hey [2:11pm] fridemar: [2:11pm] fridemar: Perhaps you can help? [2:11pm] fridemar: On a great endeavor [2:12pm] TedErnst: try me [2:12pm] fridemar: I notice, that in AboutUs the allowed file formats exclude one of the best [2:12pm] fridemar: Interested? [2:13pm] TedErnst: sure [2:13pm] fridemar: http://www.aboutus.org/User_talk:MarkDilley#We_urgently_need_interactive_swf-files_to_upload_to_a_trusted_platform._In_Aboutus.org_we_trust. [2:13pm] fridemar: Here is my proposal. [2:13pm] TedErnst: what is swf? [2:14pm] TedErnst: ah, I didn't read enough [2:14pm] fridemar: This is the Macromedia file format for interactive videos [2:14pm] TedErnst: I see flash [2:14pm] fridemar: Aboutus uses already YouTube presentations .. linear videos. [2:15pm] fridemar: But there is something superior then that .. that allows better collaboration [2:15pm] TedErnst: question: [2:15pm] fridemar: Yes [2:16pm] TedErnst: are you requesting that we allow the upload of swf files OR are you requsting that we support the proper display of swf files? [2:16pm] fridemar: The first step is the essential one .. allowing upload. [2:17pm] fridemar: The second one is the luxury part of it. [2:18pm] fridemar: With the first step we get 99% increase in productivity relative to the total solution with step 2 [2:18pm] fridemar: including step 2 [2:18pm] fridemar: The percentage is my feeling [2:18pm] TedErnst: are you familiar with Kaltura? how do Kaltura interact wtih your request? [2:19pm] fridemar: No, please help me to remember ... [2:19pm] fridemar: Who is Kaltura? [2:19pm] TedErnst: Kaltura is the project making video production wiki-like [2:19pm] fridemar: Ah [2:19pm] TedErnst: Wikimedia has partnered with them [2:20pm] fridemar: Is it operational [2:20pm] TedErnst: I think so - I haven't used it [2:20pm] TedErnst: at AboutUs we've talked about supporting it the way we do with youtube [2:20pm] fridemar: Kaltura.org [2:20pm] fridemar: .com [2:20pm] fridemar: .net [2:20pm] TedErnst: demand hasn't pushed us to actually do it so far [2:20pm] fridemar: ? [2:21pm] TedErnst: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaltura [2:21pm] fridemar: Does it include Screencapturing? [2:21pm] TedErnst: I don't know [2:21pm] fridemar: Thanks... I copy this in my accumulating ... [2:22pm] TedErnst: I think wikiHow is using Kaltura somehow [2:22pm] fridemar: Clipboard [2:22pm] TedErnst: or maybe I made that up, I'm not sure if I remember correctly [2:23pm] fridemar: Nevertheless swf is very important, because players are integrated in nearly all graphic browsers ..(Macromedia) [2:24pm] fridemar: the format is open for third parties, there are even sourforge projects, using it. [2:24pm] fridemar: supporting it. [2:24pm] TedErnst: how does someone make an swf file? [2:24pm] fridemar: With freeware like Wink [2:24pm] fridemar: from debugmode.com [2:25pm] fridemar: It is professional software for personal and commercial use... no fly in the ointment [2:26pm] fridemar: no adware, no spyware, the Indian programmer is a real Boddhisattwa [2:26pm] fridemar: it produces excellent output quality and minimal filesize [2:27pm] fridemar: we can use the projectfiles .wnk to make derivative work in the commons [2:27pm] fridemar: Wonderful tool. [2:27pm] fridemar: I searched for hours in the Web for an appropriate hosting platform [2:28pm] fridemar: Didn't find something yet convincing. [2:29pm] fridemar: Aboutus would imho be the best host. [2:30pm] fridemar: The active community of Wink worldwide is probably huge ... [2:30pm] TedErnst: I think it will be hard for you to make this case for AboutUs, I'm afraid [2:30pm] fridemar: Why [2:31pm] fridemar: If we restrict the use for CreativeCommons use ...? [2:31pm] TedErnst: because it sounds like what you need is a free host for these files [2:31pm] fridemar: like YouTube... [2:32pm] TedErnst: and I don't see how this interacts with AboutUs and what's going on here now, unfortunately [2:32pm] TedErnst: I want AboutUs to be a place for community work, but I don't yet see it happening very much [2:32pm] TedErnst: I'm just not seeing how it fits with the content we have, or how it improves that content [2:33pm] fridemar: There must be incentives for community work ... [2:33pm] fridemar: You might want to have a look at Meatball:RecentChangesWikiTrail, where swf [2:34pm] fridemar: files are used to transfer procedural knowledge (how to handle certain Social Software Tools) [2:35pm] fridemar: We have an intermediary startup host swfiles.com anyhow... [2:35pm] TedErnst: I think a better host for this would be a place where people are already wanting to do this kind of work together [2:36pm] fridemar: What do you recommend ... [2:36pm] TedErnst: I don't know. I'd never even heard of these files until just now. [2:37pm] fridemar: We always learn ... [2:38pm] fridemar: Did you see our ExtremeOpenBusiness initiative ? [2:39pm] TedErnst: I'm not sure [2:39pm] fridemar: You know perhaps, that Google:OpenBusiness brings over 5 million entries. [2:39pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness just our initiative at Meatball. [2:39pm] TedErnst: ah [2:40pm] fridemar: In analogy to ExtremeProgramming [2:41pm] fridemar: I bought the domain ExtremeOpenBusiness at Name.com for sharing investment and gain. [2:41pm] fridemar: Seconds later all the other TDLs were taken. [2:41pm] fridemar: I documented it with Screenshots ... [2:42pm] TedErnst: something shady? [2:42pm] fridemar: They were not taken by me .. [2:42pm] fridemar: opaque business [2:43pm] fridemar: After I had bought the first one (instead of buying the whole bunch) I took a moment to ponder .. [2:43pm] fridemar: This killed the opportunity [2:44pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness goes together with SocialDomaining and LiterateDomainMarketing as concepts, inspired by software engineering [2:46pm] fridemar: I made a bilink with a stub page at Aboutus and Meatball:ExtremeOpenBusiness. [2:47pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness is a buzzword, but Extr...O..ess is a clearcut concept. [2:47pm] fridemar: Resources are open (not new, see OpenSource), [2:47pm] MarkDilley: like RadicalTransparency [2:47pm] fridemar: Yes, Hi Mark, great to see you. [2:48pm] MarkDilley: Hi - unburied my head from some tasks... see your energy - not sure where to go from here [2:48pm] fridemar: Transactions, Marketing, Recruiting are open. [2:48pm] fridemar: Yes, I know .. workoverload ... [2:48pm] fridemar: ? [2:48pm] MarkDilley: [2:49pm] fridemar: Recruiting is based on an OpenInvitationToParticipate [2:49pm] fridemar: Did you check: Meatball:ExtremeOpenBusiness? [2:50pm] fridemar: [2:50pm] MarkDilley: not yet, but will open it to check out later [2:50pm] fridemar: What do you say to my question on your Talkpage? [2:51pm] fridemar: Mark [2:51pm] MarkDilley: have that tabbed out to read later [2:52pm] fridemar: It is a great opportunity imho for Aboutus ... YouTube has not yet swf Flashfile upload .. [2:52pm] fridemar: With Flashfiles we can create interactive tutorials for all community-relevant stuff. [2:53pm] fridemar: Creating stuff from all pages, wikis, that adhere to the CreativeCommons principles [2:54pm] fridemar: We can use the freeware Wink to do this. [2:54pm] fridemar: We can weave with a new quality .. [2:55pm] fridemar: E.g. we can weave the Wikipedia in an non-intrusive way. [2:55pm] fridemar: With FireTrail annotations, presented as flash files... [2:56pm] fridemar: Normally it is not possible to connect wiki-pages with arbitrary community pages on the Web. [2:57pm] fridemar: But with annotations, that don't interfere with the non-talk pages, it is feasible.